[Chad Petree]

Is it possible? i heard core player 2.0 is coming but it cant play 720p fluidly =(

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[Ender Psp]

Chad Petree, on Mar 2 2010, 23:16, said:

Is it possible? i heard core player 2.0 is coming but it cant play 720p fluidly =(

Very much doubt it. It would pretty much depend on the codec, but even so, right now Touch player barely handles DivX @ 720x480. Handling double the content would require twice the power and some really nasty optimizations for O2. AVC is totally out of the question. On top of that, coreplayer's coders said there won't be any major support for O2. Don't get your hopes too high on coreplayer 2.

[Chad Petree]

Ender Psp, on Mar 3 2010, 01:47, said:

Very much doubt it. It would pretty much depend on the codec, but even so, right now Touch player barely handles DivX @ 720x480. Handling double the content would require twice the power and some really nasty optimizations for O2. AVC is totally out of the question. On top of that, coreplayer's coders said there won't be any major support for O2. Don't get your hopes too high on coreplayer 2.

o2?

[Snow02]

Chad Petree, on Mar 2 2010, 22:50, said:

o2?

Omnia 2....

This post has been edited by Snow02: 03 March 2010 - 04:58 AM

[jacobgong]

The only reason I have CorePlayer in my memory is because it's tiny, and in case there exists a format it actually play at full speed.
If you use it all the time, I'm sorry but it just seems stupid to me, the samsung stock player is much more power efficient and finger friendly.

[Chad Petree]

jacobgong, on Mar 3 2010, 23:39, said:

The only reason I have CorePlayer in my memory is because it's tiny, and in case there exists a format it actually play at full speed.
If you use it all the time, I'm sorry but it just seems stupid to me, the samsung stock player is much more power efficient and finger friendly.

the new version seems better than the stock player, the old coreplayer interface is crap to me xD

[lantony]

guys, even the latest vers. of coreplayer doesnt support the hardware acceleration of Omnia2, so stick with Touchplayer (that unfortunetly doesnt support all the video formats that Coreplayer does)

This post has been edited by lantony: 04 March 2010 - 11:53 AM

[Chad Petree]

lantony, on Mar 4 2010, 11:53, said:

guys, even the latest vers. of coreplayer doesnt support the hardware acceleration of Omnia2, so stick with Touchplayer (that unfortunetly doesnt support all the video formats that Coreplayer does)

why wont it support hardware acceleration for the o2? o2 is one of the best/most powerful windows device out there, they should optimize it for it =(

[Ender Psp]

Chad Petree, on Mar 4 2010, 02:07, said:

the new version seems better than the stock player, the old coreplayer interface is crap to me xD

What new version? 2.0 isn't out yet, and 1.3.x branch doesn't use O2's onchip optimizations.
As I said, 2.0 won't support O2 either, read their forum.

To be honest, I like Touchplayer more, the only problems are multiline subtitles and various filetype support, like mkv.

And I'm still hoping Samsung isn't producing just sales, but good support too. Realistically... I doubt it.

This post has been edited by Ender Psp: 04 March 2010 - 04:57 PM

[Chad Petree]

Ender Psp, on Mar 4 2010, 16:55, said:

What new version? 2.0 isn't out yet, and 1.3.x branch doesn't use O2's onchip optimizations.
As I said, 2.0 won't support O2 either, read their forum.

To be honest, I like Touchplayer more, the only problems are multiline subtitles and various filetype support, like mkv.

And I'm still hoping Samsung isn't producing just sales, but good support too. Realistically... I doubt it.

yep 2.0 at least from what i've seen . What concerns about samsung is they release TOO MANY phones, and by logic they can't concentrate on fixing the bugs and improving performance since they have so many phones =(

[qtilt]

why would anyone use coreplayer anyways? TCPMP supports more codecs, has better video quality (no pixelation), and plays videos much faster (50%-70% increase over coreplayer). The only thing it doesn't have is internet streaming capabilities, for that use coreplayer.

[Krecik2002]

Anyways, why would anyone want to play 720p movies on a smartphone (besides proving that's possible)? There would be no quality gain as the movie resolution is a lot bigger than device's screen and a single movie would occupy gigabytes of precious storage space (transferring it over USB cable would also take ages). Maybe there would be some sense if tv-out supported displaying stuff bigger than screen resolution but it doesn't.
Are you people too lazy to convert your movies to lower resolutions, or download smaller versions for watching in a phone?

[teamkillexpert]

Krecik2002, on Mar 4 2010, 22:30, said:

Anyways, why would anyone want to play 720p movies on a smartphone (besides proving that's possible)? There would be no quality gain as the movie resolution is a lot bigger than device's screen and a single movie would occupy gigabytes of precious storage space (transferring it over USB cable would also take ages). Maybe there would be some sense if tv-out supported displaying stuff bigger than screen resolution but it doesn't.
Are you people too lazy to convert your movies to lower resolutions, or download smaller versions for watching in a phone?

I would say if my phone plays 720p, I would totally use this function. But I would like it to play anything below 480P at full speed first, like any format at all.
but the only ones it plays without lagging or burning is a certain group of DviX and MP4 H.264.

[dwallersv]

teamkillexpert, on Mar 4 2010, 19:05, said:

I would say if my phone plays 720p, I would totally use this function. But I would like it to play anything below 480P at full speed first, like any format at all.
but the only ones it plays without lagging or burning is a certain group of DviX and MP4 H.264.

Not sure what the problem is with your phone.

CorePlayer plays Xvid 800x450 high quality video transcoded using MeGUI, flawlessly @ a full 24 or 29.97fps (depending on the material). No skips, jumps, missed frames, etc.

CP streams really nicely from my Orb server too, which is how I usually access media anyway... transcoding, downloading takes too much time, effort, and storage space. And, due to the latter, is very limited in terms of entertainment choices.

OTOH, I have 6 terabytes of movies, TV shows (all commercial free ), music, pictures, that I can access from anywhere in the world where I have a data connection. At 350kbps, I get a pretty good quality 500x281 wmv stream from Orb for video, which is more than sufficient on a small screen like the O2, zoomed to fill the screen.

If I'm really jonesin' for the max full resolution for something (usually a movie), I transcode it down to 800xH (H will depend on the source media aspect ratio) and watch it with CorePlayer.

BTW, with CP be sure and use DirectDraw (Video settings page), and only Overlay with colorkey (Direct Draw settings page), overlay format Auto. DO NOT use blitting! The latter will result in jerky video, looking very much like CP just can't keep up with decoding the material.

Also, when transcoding shoot for a bitrate around 700-800bps. It's real hard to see improvement with higher bitrates -- I can, but I have to be looking for it, which when I'm actually watching something, I'm not doing, but rather paying attention to the entertainment, so generally don't notice artifacts that are cleaned up by higher bitrates (like large black regions).

[teamkillexpert]

dwallersv, on Mar 5 2010, 03:42, said:

Not sure what the problem is with your phone.

CorePlayer plays Xvid 800x450 high quality video transcoded using MeGUI, flawlessly @ a full 24 or 29.97fps (depending on the material). No skips, jumps, missed frames, etc.

CP streams really nicely from my Orb server too, which is how I usually access media anyway... transcoding, downloading takes too much time, effort, and storage space. And, due to the latter, is very limited in terms of entertainment choices.

OTOH, I have 6 terabytes of movies, TV shows (all commercial free ), music, pictures, that I can access from anywhere in the world where I have a data connection. At 350kbps, I get a pretty good quality 500x281 wmv stream from Orb for video, which is more than sufficient on a small screen like the O2, zoomed to fill the screen.

If I'm really jonesin' for the max full resolution for something (usually a movie), I transcode it down to 800xH (H will depend on the source media aspect ratio) and watch it with CorePlayer.

BTW, with CP be sure and use DirectDraw (Video settings page), and only Overlay with colorkey (Direct Draw settings page), overlay format Auto. DO NOT use blitting! The latter will result in jerky video, looking very much like CP just can't keep up with decoding the material.

Also, when transcoding shoot for a bitrate around 700-800bps. It's real hard to see improvement with higher bitrates -- I can, but I have to be looking for it, which when I'm actually watching something, I'm not doing, but rather paying attention to the entertainment, so generally don't notice artifacts that are cleaned up by higher bitrates (like large black regions).

show me RMVB and MKV
We don't use DviX in China, because RMVB will give you about the same quality with half to one-third the size.
We also don't use MP4 too much, except for 1080P high bit rate releases, or for PSP support. I'm not sure why we prefer MKV, maybe it has better built-in subtitle support.

This post has been edited by teamkillexpert: 05 March 2010 - 03:55 AM

[Chad Petree]

Krecik2002, on Mar 4 2010, 22:30, said:

b][/b]Are you people too lazy to convert your movies to lower resolutions

I AM !!!!

This post has been edited by Chad Petree: 05 March 2010 - 05:32 AM

[dwallersv]

teamkillexpert, on Mar 4 2010, 19:47, said:

show me RMVB and MKV
We don't use DviX in China, because RMVB will give you about the same quality with half to one-third the size.
We also don't use MP4 too much, except for 1080P high bit rate releases, or for PSP support. I'm not sure why we prefer MKV, maybe it has better built-in subtitle support.

MKV (matroska) is simply a container. It has nothing to do with the codecs used to encode audio and video. So, it really isn't a factor in performance or quality. It is simply a question of whether or not a player supports this container, and CorePlayer does. TouchPlayer does not.

Divx/Xvid are based on the h.263 spec. I mention Xvid simply because it is a free, public domain codec -- and a damn good one. Note that CP also supports h.264 as well as a slew of other codecs.

Regardless, the question wasn't whether or not CP could play RMVB. It was about CorePlayer playing video smoothly without dropping frames. That's what I was responding to.

Xvid will work just fine in China, just like here in the US If you want full-screen resolution with smooth playback, you can get it by simply transcoding your video to Xvid, 800 wide, @800kbps. I recommend the MeGUI free, public domain coding front-end -- it's easy to use, can encode with xvid or x264, is very configurable for those more expert or want to tweak and play with parameters, but comes with a large set of pre-set profiles for quick encoding.

MeGUI can wrap the A/V -- whatever codecs you choose -- in AVI, MP4, or MKV containers.

Anyway, I sound like a salesman here, and that's not my intent. I'm simply an A/V enthusiast/hobbiest, spend time over on doom9.org (probably the premiere amateur A/V tech site), so I know a bit or two about these things. I've even written a few tools myself.

If you insist on RMVB, I can't help you. If you just want to watch your video on your phone, you don't need RMVB, there are other quite good alternatives. And if you want max resolution, high quality video, CorePlayer is the only solution I'm aware of that can handle 800W media, so h.263 (Xvid/Divx) with CorePlayer is your best choice to get there.

[teamkillexpert]

I don't want to argue about containers and codecs, I'll just tell you I already knew that. I don't really care what the true reason might be because there is no way I can fix it anyway. the fact is when I try to play a MKV file, it won't. either because it doesn't support the container, the video, the audio or the resolution. I don't care. It still doesn't work regardless of the true reason.

Sure you can always make the phone play anything if you transcode it into a proper format, but if that's what I should be doing, the phone can only support one format and nothing else. That is not the point to use a bad looking player. I might choose to use a bad looking player because it plays more formats that I need. if it doesn't there is no reason to use it.

so If I need to transcode my RMVB files to play in Coreplayer, it defeats the purpose of using it in the first place. I can just transcode it into something else which TouchPlayer plays. and I'm sure it will play longer on battery power.

This post has been edited by teamkillexpert: 05 March 2010 - 09:04 PM

[Chad Petree]

so whats the best we can get from touchplayer? 480 x 800 for 16:10 files and 480 x 854 for 16:19 and which bitrate? . i'll be using mostly MPEG-4 AVC or VC-1

This post has been edited by Chad Petree: 05 March 2010 - 11:34 PM

[teamkillexpert]

you can't play 800X480 because the max is 720x480

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