[qtilt]

surgex, on Jan 9 2010, 10:05, said:

Android is such an immature OS -- especially in multimedia.
Out of the box I believe the only video format the nexus one supports is .mp4 and that's it. No AVI or XVID.

See for the Android devices, the users get premium Google Apps (Maps with Navigation, Youtube with HD streaming, etc..), but the users of WM and Symbian who use those apps get the old versions that are _never_updated_ and have tons of bugs, and tons of lacking features. That is not like Google to do something like that, they are changing, and not for the good, believe me.

actually the N1 can both encode and decode H.263, H.264, and MPEG-4. And with the snapdragon cpu, i doubt that it wouldn't be able to software decode xvid soon.

To your other point, it is indeed a shame with google's lack of care for other OSs. However, WM has almost no decent support from any developers anyways (have you seen WM marketplace?) pathetic! developers go to the platforms that have the most users. With the amount of WM users dwindling, i doubt this fact will change any time soon.

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[surgex]

qtilt, on Jan 9 2010, 18:56, said:

actually the N1 can both encode and decode H.263, H.264, and MPEG-4. And with the snapdragon cpu, i doubt that it wouldn't be able to software decode xvid soon.

To your other point, it is indeed a shame with google's lack of care for other OSs. However, WM has almost no decent support from any developers anyways (have you seen WM marketplace?) pathetic! developers go to the platforms that have the most users. With the amount of WM users dwindling, i doubt this fact will change any time soon.

Yes, but I believe the video has to be in .mp4 container.  No support for .avi or .mkv or anything else without hacks, and no way to add support since there's no multimedia API available to the public, and google rigidly controlls all APIs, developers have no control and all they can do is create apps that use existing APIs.  That's the thing about android that I don't like at all...

http://mobileosgi.blogspot.com/ has a good synopsis...

"Android is a platform the developer community can create innovative mobile applications for. However, much of the community's creativity and power remains untapped. Why? There are barriers for developers to contribute to the platform. First, the Android project is solely and rigidly controlled by Google. Second, the Android application & distribution model is designed to have 3rd parties create apps, not APIs or middleware. This presentations discusses these limitations and presents the concept of OSGi, an Open Services & Middleware Platform as an enabler for 3rd party platform innovation."

There are of course positives to this, meaning it's easier to make simple apps that just pull web content, etc. (like all the thousands of apps in the android marketplace and iphone appstore), but if you wanted to do something a bit more difficult like access a hardware decoder to support different video formats than what is supported out of box, it makes it almost impossible.

This post has been edited by surgex: 10 January 2010 - 03:31 AM

[La Traviata]

qtilt, on Jan 10 2010, 00:56, said:

However, WM has almost no decent support from any developers anyways (have you seen WM marketplace?) pathetic! developers go to the platforms that have the most users. With the amount of WM users dwindling, i doubt this fact will change any time soon.

JDawg183, on Jan 7 2010, 21:03, said:

I check out a lot of tech sites, and I see many many new apps being bragged about for Android, yet I very rarely hear much for WinMo. Lets face it guys, I like WM myself, but it is dying. Unless WM7 is huge, they are not going to have much marketshare at all by the end of next year.

I agree. I was all set to get the O2 because it has good HW specs and I have invested quite a few dollars in WM apps, but that reserved RAM issue has really put me off and with all the hype surrounding Android and iPhone, whereas WM is almost universally painted as outdated, I doubt many exciting new apps will be coming our way going forward. The only ones I can think of recently were Resco Photo Manager (which just does what your phone should be able to do anyway) and SPB Flash Cards. So perhaps it is time to jump ship after all. I'm still hoping for a fix for the RAM issue, or a new killer WM phone to emerge, but I'm now also keeping an eye on the SE X10, N1 (although I don't like HTC) and Motorola Milestone and XT701. I know the X10 will supposedly only run Android 1.6, but I had good experiences with SE in my pre-WM days and the camera and media player look pretty capable.

One thing I'm a bit wary of though is Google's stated commitment to making money from advertising. The last thing I want is (potentially) getting ads sent to my phone or popping up every time I open my mobile browser, or having to pay not to get them.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/914...evenue_strategy

This post has been edited by La Traviata: 10 January 2010 - 02:35 PM

[Ender Psp]

Some "good news" that show why Android platform has a lot to prove, yet. And don't give me crap like the platform is not the same with the marketplace because you've been praising exactly the markeplace from Android and their free stuff. Sorry for the style, no flaming meant but people need to understand some differences well before they make a decision. Android is not mature yet, imho. This thing never happened to Apple, for example. Your choice, though.

[La Traviata]

Ender Psp, on Jan 12 2010, 11:14, said:

This thing never happened to Apple, for example. Your choice, though.

Once Apple decide to put a decent camera on the iPhone I will definitely consider it. SPs lowering their ridiculously over-priced iPhone tariff charges would help too. I love the apps and accessories for the iPhone, but right now it still has too many niggles for me to be able to justify the expense, either on a contract or SIM free.

[is77gal]

Well I have my O2 for about 6 months now and I`m about 70-80% satisfied with it. The main issues are as follows: 1. ram=yes I think restarting the phone once every 4/5 days or less depending on usage is annoying and frustrating and smthg should be done VERY SOON(for you SAMSUNG to hear)
2. I bought the O2 mostly because I did`nt want an iPhone and because of its specs, also the O2 being my first WM phone. I love it for the way touchwiz looks and I dare any one to say otherwise because I doubt you never had a Nokia...and the interface looks like the one a nokia a lot. Also touchwiz is very good lookalike of iPhone interface, the only issue being the O2 movement of menus. I believe that touchwiz is the easiest ui out there, besides the retarded iPhone.
3. I`m disappointed with FB, Youtube, IM clients for WM....pretty rudimentary. Also a disappointment are the games for O2...I once played a diablo like game on a friends iPhone...superb...O2 lacks proper games to take advantage of hardware accelaration.
4. A bit more eyecandy here and there from Samsung would go a long way, maybe an overview of Office mobile, an improved browser and the only real thing lacking is multitouch...but that you need only in games.
P.S. I now have at my disposal a HD2 and believe me whe I say that the touchwiz ui is more conventional and more capable of adopting new users than SenseUI, which is easy but eventualy you have to revert to using WM menus and UI...horrible... I think
GIVE ME RAM AND SPEED AND I`LL BUY 1000 O2...HD2 TOO BIG. it says so even on the box

[bobobird]

Another review here

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/201...-one-review.ars

Not too bad overall.

Only problem is that the writer does not have the "I want it to behave like my PC + PMP + tablet + ebook reader + xbox + wii +++" expectations of some here.

Maybe the best way is for somehere to get the N1 and then do a comparison with the O2 ??

This post has been edited by bobobird: 14 January 2010 - 01:55 AM

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bobobird, on Jan 14 2010, 09:27, said:

Only problem is that the writer does not have the "I want it to behave like my PC + PMP + tablet + ebook reader + xbox + wii +++" expectations of some here.

@jacobong

I hope you come across this topic.

Because after I read this line, You are the first person that came into my mind. 54 post of all complains and complains of a complain.

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