[JaGuR]

Great Work

Your efforts are truely Appreciated !!

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[JaGuR]

JaGuR, on Aug 9 2009, 22:42, said:

Great Work

Your efforts are truely Appreciated !!

OK, couple of quick questions,

Do we need to re-start EverApp every time we do a soft reset ?

and also

Do we need to add EverApp to the list to not be closed down ?

Cheers

This post has been edited by JaGuR: 09 August 2009 - 11:20 PM

[zman919]

JaGuR, on Aug 9 2009, 23:07, said:

OK, couple of quick questions,

Do we need to re-start EverApp every time we do a soft reset ?

Cheers

Until I add Autostart functionality, yes -- you'll need to run EverApp and select "Start Service" on each reboot. (Alternatively, you can add EAService.exe to the startup folder).

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Do we need to add EverApp to the list to not be closed down ?

Nope. EverApp is really two applications -- a UI component ("EverApp"), and a service-oriented app ("EAService"). It's EAService that runs in the background and does all the heavy lifting (ie, monitoring and management). It's immune to shutdown since it doesn't have a visible window. You don't need to add EverApp as a monitored app.

This post has been edited by zman919: 10 August 2009 - 01:56 AM

[JaGuR]

zman919, on Aug 10 2009, 01:48, said:

Until I add Autostart functionality, yes -- you'll need to run EverApp and select "Start Service" on each reboot. (Alternatively, you can add EAService.exe to the startup folder).




Nope. EverApp is really two applications -- a UI component ("EverApp"), and a service-oriented app ("EAService"). It's EAService that runs in the background and does all the heavy lifting (ie, monitoring and management). It's immune to shutdown since it doesn't have a visible window. You don't need to add EverApp as a monitored app.

Thanks,

Not sure if this is a bug, but when I added s2u2 and ilock to the imune list, s2u2 stopped working ?

I just removed them from the imune list, and s2u2 started behaving normally again, and to be honset I don't think it suffers from shutdown anyways.

This post has been edited by JaGuR: 10 August 2009 - 02:18 AM

[zman919]

JaGuR, on Aug 10 2009, 02:15, said:

Thanks,

Not sure if this is a bug, but when I added s2u2 and ilock to the imune list, s2u2 stopped working ?

I just removed them from the imune list, and s2u2 started behaving normally again, and to be honest I don't think it suffers from shutdown anyways.

Which brings up a good point -- applications that don't suffer from shutdown problems (ie, apps that already handle shutdowns properly and/or maintain background processes) shouldn't be added to EverApp. It's really geared more towards "traditional" apps. (For example, my baseline test app was Google Maps)

[lorin.bute]

Thank you!!!!

It works for what it need.

[Bouvrie]

Thank you for this release! I can't wait to try and flash WM 6.5 again and give this baby a test run. Basically the closing applications is the biggest problem I have with WM6.5, this could help resolve it.

[JaGuR]

EAService crashed when running iGO8, got an error pop up saying it had crashed and it would beed to be started again.

Not sure if iGO8 is one of those programs that need to be in the immune list, so I removed it anyways

[naynada]

Well, well.

IMPRESSIVE! Looks like ZE MAN has done it! You da man! =P

Yep, it definitely seems to be keeping apps alive. Objective complete ^^

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A few observations/notes:

1.
I can confirm that protected apps will not appear with wkTask.

Whilst for now we'd have to use the EverApp UI as a pseudo-taskmanager/switcher - zman, do you think it'd be possible to access protected processes normally in future releases? Or is that simply not possible?

2.
As a consequence of point 1 (maybe?) -

If the app is protected, but is opened again (via shortcut or whatever), a new process instance of the app is opened alongside the protected process. (Confirmed with dotfred taskmanager) Maybe in future releases, the protected process could be opened instead?

For example, I have S2P protected. I opened S2P, played music. Minimized S2P. Then opened S2P again, playing music. Two streams of music played at the same time lol ><"

Also, on the topic of S2P, if it's playing then gets minimized/protected, it doesn't progress to the next track...
Minor point - album art won't show on S2U2. I think we can live with that though

I note however, that Nitrogen 1.1 does not have this issue - tracks will proceed as per normal.

3.
In future releases, perhaps some way of backing up the list of designated protected apps could be implemented Not that important for now I spose.


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I'll keep testing and looking out for things to work on


Funny "About" quote, btw

Also - just noticed: in the about dialogue box, it says "Developed by zman818". But your Modaco account is zman919? LOL

Don't ask me how I noticed that...


Again, excellent work zman! =]

JaGuR, on Aug 10 2009, 19:27, said:

EAService crashed when running iGO8, got an error pop up saying it had crashed and it would beed to be started again.

Not sure if iGO8 is one of those programs that need to be in the immune list, so I removed it anyways

Hehe, yeah, I think zman may have previously said that iGO has its own persisting memory management. So no need to add it

This post has been edited by naynada: 10 August 2009 - 10:23 AM

[Mothamoz]

wow this sounds good, waiting to hear from sector's test results.

[zman919]

<ignore me>

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[zman919]

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Whilst for now we'd have to use the EverApp UI as a pseudo-taskmanager/switcher - zman, do you think it'd be possible to access protected processes normally in future releases? Or is that simply not possible?

Unfortunately I can't guarantee the ability to access protected apps through any specific task manager. Some task managers (such as FdcTaskManager) don't see protected apps, while others (such as Showcase) do. It has to do with how the particular task manager analyzes currently running processes. Since the *only* thing I'm doing to the protected apps is the whole key to the protection, I don't think I have much wiggle room to get them to appear in all task managers, but it's something I'll be looking into.

What I definitely will be adding is the ability to unhide a protected app through a command line, so in theory you could link the command line call to a button and instantly unhide a specific app.

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If the app is protected, but is opened again (via shortcut or whatever), a new process instance of the app is opened alongside the protected process. (Confirmed with dotfred taskmanager) Maybe in future releases, the protected process could be opened instead?

Interesting. I didn't see that during my testing, but obviously I didn't test with every app possible. I assumed WM was smart enough to limit every app to a single instance, but that may have been a poor assumption on my part. Instead, each application probably does (or doesn't) take into consideration a pre-existing process itself. I should be able to bake some duplicate-process detection/management into EverApp. Thanks.

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Also, on the topic of S2P, if it's playing then gets minimized/protected, it doesn't progress to the next track...

That's really weird. I can't understand S2P would care about having its window visible in order to progress to the next track. I can install it into my dev environment later this week and see if anything jumps out at me. Thanks.

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Also - just noticed: in the about dialogue box, it says "Developed by zman818". But your Modaco account is zman919? LOL

Yup -- typically I'm zman818, but either someone beat me to the punch here, or (more likely) I registered a while ago and forgot which spam-pot email account I registered through.

Thanks for your observations! Much appreciated.

Z

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In future releases, perhaps some way of backing up the list of designated protected apps could be implemented Not that important for now I spose.

The config is housed in \path_to_installation\everapp.xml if you want to save it somewhere else. Re-installations won't nuke your existing config, though.

This post has been edited by zman919: 10 August 2009 - 12:24 PM

[zman919]

JaGuR, on Aug 10 2009, 09:27, said:

EAService crashed when running iGO8, got an error pop up saying it had crashed and it would beed to be started again.

Not sure if iGO8 is one of those programs that need to be in the immune list, so I removed it anyways

Yup -- iGo8 manages itself. Thanks for that. FAQ updated.

[naynada]

zman919, on Aug 10 2009, 22:21, said:

Unfortunately I can't guarantee the ability to access protected apps through any specific task manager. Some task managers (such as FdcTaskManager) don't see protected apps, while others (such as Showcase) do.

Oh awesome. Off I go to get Showcase then... =]

zman919 said:

The config is housed in \path_to_installation\everapp.xml if you want to save it somewhere else. Re-installations won't nuke your existing config, though.

oh oops I should've checked that...

Thanks!

[zagzag99]

Very promising app.

I tried it with FingerPoint. What it does is keep the process indeed but it hides it from view.
So it's not possible to return to FingerPoint other than through EverApp.

It would be neat if EverApp had a command line execution. So that we can make a Hard/Soft Button that will run a commandline like:
EverAppCmd -show FingerPoint.exe

And EverAppCmd will either switch to the already existing FingerPoint.exe or it will Launch it for the first time, based on the location of FingerPoint.exe that it will store when I add program.

[zman919]

zagzag99, on Aug 10 2009, 09:22, said:

Very promising app.

I tried it with FingerPoint. What it does is keep the process indeed but it hides it from view.
So it's not possible to return to FingerPoint other than through EverApp.

It would be neat if EverApp had a command line execution. So that we can make a Hard/Soft Button that will run a commandline like:
EverAppCmd -show FingerPoint.exe

And EverAppCmd will either switch to the already existing FingerPoint.exe or it will Launch it for the first time, based on the location of FingerPoint.exe that it will store when I add program.

Hi Zag. Thanks.

Question -- is there a driving need to protect FingerPoint with EverApp? From what I've read, FingerPoint is an app launcher. Isn't it easier to simply bind FingerPoint to a hard/softkey itself rather than trying to keep it running full-time under EverApp? Or is there something FingerPoint does that's worth keeping it running full-time that I'm not aware of? Thanks.

And yep -- that's exactly how the EA command line functionality will work.

Z

[zman919]

Version 0.2 Beta released...

V0.2 Beta

• EverApp now functions as an App Launcher. Activating a non-running app will launch it.
  
• EverAppCmd included, which allows activation of apps without having to use the UI.
  
• Added "Manage Duplicates" for individual applications. When enabled, EverApp will detect if a second instance of a protected app is launched, kill it, and bring the original protected app into the foreground.

This post has been edited by zman919: 10 August 2009 - 08:40 PM

[JaGuR]

Only have it protecting calllocker, and orientation app.

Working good at not killing them as they were the ones that were getting dropped.

The only problem I had, which looks as though you may have fixed in this new revision is, I couldn't get the apps to open up again.

Will try the new revision

Thanks again for your work on this problem,

Big Thumbs up !!!

This post has been edited by JaGuR: 10 August 2009 - 10:49 PM

[naynada]

Hmm, tried to use Showcase to reopen protected apps...but they didn't appear in the list...strange. (this was with EverApp 0.1)

zman919, on Aug 11 2009, 00:46, said:

Question -- is there a driving need to protect FingerPoint with EverApp?

On FingerPoint's first run, there is quite a significant lag on one of its app launching menus as it has to cache the installed applications - or something like that.

zman919, on Aug 11 2009, 06:35, said:

Version 0.2 Beta released...

V0.2 Beta

• EverApp now functions as an App Launcher. Activating a non-running app will launch it.
  
• EverAppCmd included, which allows activation of apps without having to use the UI.
  
• Added "Manage Duplicates" for individual applications. When enabled, EverApp will detect if a second instance of a protected app is launched, kill it, and bring the original protected app into the foreground.

Nice, quick update. Will try tonight.

This post has been edited by naynada: 11 August 2009 - 05:24 AM

[zagzag99]

zman919, on Aug 10 2009, 17:46, said:

Hi Zag. Thanks.

Question -- is there a driving need to protect FingerPoint with EverApp? From what I've read, FingerPoint is an app launcher. Isn't it easier to simply bind FingerPoint to a hard/softkey itself rather than trying to keep it running full-time under EverApp? Or is there something FingerPoint does that's worth keeping it running full-time that I'm not aware of? Thanks.

And yep -- that's exactly how the EA command line functionality will work.

Z

The down sides of FingerPoint are: The Splash screen that appears on first load and the lag of scanning the All Programs for the first time.
That's why one would rather have this app kept from being killed so that those delays will be experienced only once (after reset)

I will try 0.2 now. Thanks for your quick response and coding.

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