[Kallisti]

End of 2008? Getting to be too-little-too-late? I just don't get how it wasn't done a few months after the iPhone demonstrated how web browsing should be. Hell, even the Wii browser beats the speed and inconvenience I suffer on my Vario III.

What does it matter if you've got 2G or 3G if the results can't be rendered anyway?

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[Boinng]

Am I reading this right? The next version of PIE to come out later this year is based on IE6? Why 6? I mean ok, it's older so perhaps the code is simpler etc, but still.. it's old, why wouldn't they base such an important new product around current code?

[PaulOBrien]

Kallisti, on Apr 25 2008, 15:58, said:

End of 2008? Getting to be too-little-too-late? I just don't get how it wasn't done a few months after the iPhone demonstrated how web browsing should be. Hell, even the Wii browser beats the speed and inconvenience I suffer on my Vario III.

What does it matter if you've got 2G or 3G if the results can't be rendered anyway?

The Wii runs Opera

P

[PaulOBrien]

IE 6 vs 7 vs 8, I don't know, is the rendering engine in IE7 a significant advancement over IE6?

P

[sxywill2005]

So no tabbed browsing then?

*sigh*

[PaulOBrien]

I'd be very surprised if that was missing. It's a long way off being finished yet!

P

[Shuflie]

Well, if its based of IE6 and tabbed browsing didn't arrive until IE7.....

[PaulOBrien]

Yeah, but it's the rendering engine that is the key here, the UI will be custom for WinMo of course.

P

[sheltem]

Kallisti, on Apr 25 2008, 14:58, said:

End of 2008? Getting to be too-little-too-late? I just don't get how it wasn't done a few months after the iPhone demonstrated how web browsing should be. Hell, even the Wii browser beats the speed and inconvenience I suffer on my Vario III.

What does it matter if you've got 2G or 3G if the results can't be rendered anyway?

It is no trivial task developing a web browser, let alone a mobile browser, which is used on a very wide variety of devices. Apple has the luxury of developing software as well as their own hardware. It's also a little unfair to compare the Wii browser to a smartphone browser. However kudos to Apple for setting the standard with their iphone web browser.

[Shuflie]

Just watched the video, why show a Universal if if won't run it?

[Stuart_f]

Definitely too little too late in my book. As a regular traveller the killer app for me would be to allow me to complete the on-line check-in process for all the major airlines so I could skip the lines of the great unwashed in airport terminals. So far the only browser that will run through the BA check-in process is Opera. Shame on you Microsoft!

Or should that be shame on BA for an unnecessarily painful check-in process - Emirates, Cathay, United and even South African Airways work fine on PocketIE

Edit to add: the BA regular site always worked on PocketIE so I'm not sure why showing the BA screen shot is anything ground breaking. It's the check-in process it can't handle.

This post has been edited by Stuart_f: 26 April 2008 - 06:38 PM

[Ayle]

Aren't the gecko and webkit engines already way more efficient than the ie6 one?

[Perfectionist]

Does this mean people will be able to upgrade/install this for free when it comes out - it'll make my upcoming MDA Compact 4 even sweeter !

[Bill Fisher]

I've been using IE Mobile in WM 6.1 for a few weeks now, and it's a vast improvement over the version of IE in WM 6. Not sure why, but layout, javascript, graphics, and navigation are all way better. Obviously, this isn't the same as the one that's coming later this year, but to me it's a good sign.

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Derek S is a great presenter

[Menneisyys]

Paul (MVP), on Apr 25 2008, 17:02, said:

IE 6 vs 7 vs 8, I don't know, is the rendering engine in IE7 a significant advancement over IE6?

P

Nope, it's in IE8 that there are some significant standards compliance increase over IE7 (not that it'd come close to Opera 9.xx on the desktop); in this regard, I7 is equally crappy as IE6. See my tests at http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Ge...pliance-report/ . The relevant excerpt:

The Internet Explorer 8 beta (also the latest) results are pretty bad – actually, it’s the same as with IE7:


(IE8)

(IE7)

Interestingly, Acid2 is far better rendered by IE8 than IE7 (screenshots HERE and HERE, respectively) – while it still fails the Acid3 test (which also makes the browser crash), albeit it still fares a bit better than IE7. That is, based on the Acid results, I expected far more – not even the forthcoming IE8 is as standard-compliant as Firefox, let alone Opera.

[Menneisyys]

Ayle, on Apr 27 2008, 21:25, said:

Aren't the gecko and webkit engines already way more efficient than the ie6 one?

They are - but MS will hardly use WebKit in their IE - for obvious reasons

[Menneisyys]

Bill Fisher, on Apr 28 2008, 20:47, said:

I've been using IE Mobile in WM 6.1 for a few weeks now, and it's a vast improvement over the version of IE in WM 6. Not sure why, but layout, javascript, graphics, and navigation are all way better. Obviously, this isn't the same as the one that's coming later this year, but to me it's a good sign.

Strange you've found it far better - it's almost exactly the same, engine-wise, than previous IE's. The only difference is the zoom menu item in the COntext menu.

[Menneisyys]

Shuflie, on Apr 25 2008, 19:48, said:

Just watched the video, why show a Universal if if won't run it?

It will Just wait for the XDA-Devs hackers

[Menneisyys]

gerryr, on Apr 25 2008, 16:09, said:

Coming right back at you from the I'll beleive it when I see it dept

It sure would be sweet though, just wonder how a WM device would be able to handle a very graphic or flash heavy site?

It's possible when the Flash support is properly (!!) written. Just take a look at the Flash Lite 3 implementation on Symbian (like the v21 N95) - it just rocks and is VERY fast & efficient. Look at its YouTube playback performance and compare it to the old, full Flash 7...

If MSrewrites and heavily (!) optimizes (full) Flash, you won't encounter speed problems - Adobe / Nokia have certainly shown this with Flash Lite 3.

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