[PaulOBrien]

Confucious: Er, no.

RE: which version is heading to O, unknown, I hope it's the 20 key version too!

P

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[Monolithix]

The soft keyboard was really nice, great to see HTC have finally caught up with themselves! As for the Shift, wow, a fantastic device and as a student it would be perfect (we the price more affordable!). Its the size of an average hard-back book and about as heavy. With a Touch-esque protective sleave you could throw it in your bag and have full Vista (or XP!) functionality in lectures or working on assignments! At roughly £800 its just too pricey unfortunately

The Touch Dual i was unsure of at first, but it quickly grew on me, a fantastic small (!) device. Definately my next handset.

The S730, as Paul said, was a disapointment. Not as sexy as the Vox and lacking GPS, all in all a bit of a let down!

[PaulOBrien]

Don't forget tho Mono, the Shift will be operator subsidised... 24 month data contract?

P

[funkychicken9000]

So for people that have a touch without the software keypad (the gf gets one tomorrow) - any way we can get hold of it?

[ZSX]

My problem with the HTC Touch was the poor stylus-free data entry options. This keyboard goes a long way to making the older model a much more attractive option.

The HTC Touch Dual is a bit mixed. They add 3G but take away WiFi. That said, if Orange had the SureType version (and finally came up with an unlimited dataplan which was reasonably priced) I might be willing to forgo the convenience of WiFi.

[PaulOBrien]

I think this is a misconception, I saw WiFi on the device's Comm Manager today!

P

[Monolithix]

Indeed, and tested it by loading MoDaCo.com!

As for carrier subsidies on the Shift, i assumed that price included them? :/

[mrpearson]

Paul, did you happen to notice if the 2mp camera has autofocus on the Touch Dual? Cheers

[mrpearson]

the official brochure links from coolsmartphone include WIFI as a connectivity option.

[HerpezP]

mrpearson, on Oct 1 2007, 18:54, said:

the official brochure links from coolsmartphone include WIFI as a connectivity option.

Direct link? I can't seem to find it in any of the brochures...

[ror100]

I have to say that I feel so strongly about today's announcements that I signed up to reply lol. I'm on Orange, and was planning on having a Kaiser as my next handset, but to be honest, there has been a niggling doubt in my mind telling me it was too big for my needs. I absolutely love mySPV M600 (HTC Prophet), but sometimes wish it had a keyboard, hence the Kaiser idea. I've looked at the touch and liked it, but the reviews have put me off, so what do HTC do, bring out the Dual, which in my opinion would be ideal for me!

Paul, when you tried it, did it turn on automatically when sliding the keyboard out? Also where was the stylus (top right or bottom right)? and what type is it?

More importantly, was there any indication of prices for the 2 versions of the Dual? I really hope that Orange take the 20 key version. Although I can't see many operators in the UK taking the 9 key to be honest, why have such an outrageously cool phone, and stick a normal keypad on it? Methinks the 9 key version will be destined for emerging markets.

Oh and if Wifi were left out, it would be a deal breaker for me, love to sit in bed and chat to mates on msn lol.

Rog

[mrpearson]

HerpezP, on Oct 1 2007, 18:25, said:

Direct link? I can't seem to find it in any of the brochures...

re: Wifi - this link definitely mentions WiFi :-)

http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/H..._Eng_250907.pdf

[HerpezP]

mrpearson, on Oct 1 2007, 19:55, said:

re: Wifi - this link definitely mentions WiFi :-)

http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/H..._Eng_250907.pdf

Thanks. But here's something odd:

http://www.europe.htc.com/z/pdf/products/H...H_EN_300907.pdf

It's almost exactly the same, but doesn't have WiFi listed? It's seems to be updated 5 days after the one you link to (30th vs. 25th of September).

Call me paranoid, but I fear HTC has decided not to put WiFi in the final model and the models presented today (and the model which leaked on the net some days ago) were pre-production units which still had WiFi enabled...

[Monolithix]

ror100: The Touch Dual opened a new touchflow screen when you slide it up, giving a list of finger-friendly options: messaging, internet etc.

Wifi: it has it, its possible for the operators to remove or disable it, personally i doubt they will (to date they only have in Smartphone devices iirc?)

[HerpezP]

Thanks for your tireless effort, Monotholix, but I think I'm just afraid to believe that this really nice handset really has WiFi, just to be let down by some official announcement that it actually doesn't. I really need to see some bulletproof evidence - not just a hint in some brochures and none in others.

PS. Nokia is usually champions at this contest by writing false specifications on their initial spec sheets only to confuse people for months. Usually the wrong English spec sheets get translated into several languages before they are corrected, thereby leaving the wrong specifications listed several official places. Is it really so hard to get it right the first time. It's just a page or two, not a whole novel!

[Monolithix]

Well hopefully we'll know for sure once the devices become available in 6ish weeks time!

[Madeye]

According to an Engadget post you can find here, they've had it confirmed by HTC that it has no wi-fi. It says:

Quote

Update 2: We just received confirmation direct from HTC: no WiFi unlike its Japanese twin. Yes, we're also surprised.

I trust Paul and Mono more than Engadget however so I'm still on the fence with this. I'm also conscious of the fact that we could be getting the same build as the Japanese whereas the States may be getting a dumbed down version.

Here's hoping!

[Monolithix]

Well, as we've said, having used the *actual* devices and not just emailed some PR bod, the Touch Duals on display (and indeed all the devices on display this afternoon) were fully wifi-d up.

And again, as i've said, it is potentially possible that the operators could request for this to be disabled, but i cant think of a PPC/Professional device that has ever had that done to it.

In my opinion, they will be wifi'd up (the Touch is...).

[Confucious]

Mmmm WiFi - I used to use that before I had W'n'W. Haven't turned it on since as I prefer a battery that lasts more than 5 mins...

[HerpezP]

Madeye, on Oct 1 2007, 20:48, said:

According to an Engadget post you can find here, they've had it confirmed by HTC that it has no wi-fi. It says:
I trust Paul and Mono more than Engadget however so I'm still on the fence with this. I'm also conscious of the fact that we could be getting the same build as the Japanese whereas the States may be getting a dumbed down version.

Here's hoping!

Actually, the Japanese version hasn't got WiFi. I remember they explained it with something like that the thickness was more important, and WiFi would have made it thicker *cough* bull *cough*. How come the sub-14 mm Touch has it and the 10 mm Samsung P520, too? WiFi is supported by the chip set and the antenna required is no larger than a finger nail. The omission of WiFi is only a matter of marketing or sales strategy. And that really annoys me.

I hope(d) HTC would keep the specifications up and relying on doing better in the future, as opposed to blindly following operator demands and saving features to have something in reserve for future devices *sigh*

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