[Alex (nedge2k)]

Just to add to that, the 700 is DAB-IP and the Forseer is DVB-H - two totally different TV broadcasting standards.

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[simonster]

Hi Paul,

Have they taken any of the usual stuff away, MSN Messenger for example? Does the bulge make the handset odd to hold, or does it fit well? Do the headphones have to be plugged in to work as an arial? Does it fit into a standard cradle to use in the car or does the shape make it tricky?

Cheers

[PaulOBrien]

simonster, on Oct 3 2006, 21:52, said:

Hi Paul,

Hi

simonster, on Oct 3 2006, 21:52, said:

Have they taken any of the usual stuff away, MSN Messenger for example?

MSN Messenger present and correct

simonster, on Oct 3 2006, 21:52, said:

Does the bulge make the handset odd to hold, or does it fit well?

It feels nice in the hand actually, not uncomfortable to hold at all.

simonster, on Oct 3 2006, 21:52, said:

Do the headphones have to be plugged in to work as an arial?

Yes.

simonster, on Oct 3 2006, 21:52, said:

Does it fit into a standard cradle to use in the car or does the shape make it tricky?

You might have issues with a standard cradle I suppose, all though it's a 'shallow curve' as it were, so you could be OK. I imagine Brodit will ship a dedicated mount for it, which is always your best bet anyway!

P

[Thumper Net]

If it has digital services then it will pick up 1 channel in holland ned2 which broadcasts in the clear like bbc do, its a shame there is no smart card addon or is there ? as this will be the only way to get the pay channels and top up tv in the uk, must say i find it a bit ugly but then we said that about alot of phones in the past and fell for them,
my question paul is what standard does the tv use ? digital or anologe ? seeing as the switch off begins this year in the uk in wales i hope its digital or the phone will have a short life,
hows the sound on it is it stereo or mono sound and most important how is the screen quality is it a real watchable screen or does it suffer like the old lcd mini tvs ?

[4N1L]

Paul,

Can you switch the display sideways to watch tv in widescreen?

[PaulOBrien]

peekie, on Oct 3 2006, 22:21, said:

my question paul is what standard does the tv use ? digital or anologe ? seeing as the switch off begins this year in the uk in wales i hope its digital or the phone will have a short life,

Neither, it's DAB for TV, so you can only get the channels they provide. The radio however is real DAB.

peekie, on Oct 3 2006, 22:21, said:

hows the sound on it is it stereo or mono sound and most important how is the screen quality is it a real watchable screen or does it suffer like the old lcd mini tvs ?

Not sure yet on the sound, i'll have to listen in some more.

Screen quality is 'OK'... but then you'll find out more about that in my review

P

[PaulOBrien]

4N1L, on Oct 3 2006, 22:28, said:

Can you switch the display sideways to watch tv in widescreen?

So far as I can find thus far... NO!



How stupid is that?!?!?



P

[encece]

How is the battery life while using the TV?

[Dr Who]

Can you use the TV service with no SIM inserted? Quite interested to see if the phone can be used with a different operator SIM. I am assuming not since it is a subscription service offered by Virgin but I guess this can only be using an encoded stream and they issue a 'key' with the subscription?

[PaulOBrien]

encece, on Oct 4 2006, 00:19, said:

How is the battery life while using the TV?

Too early to say at this stage.

P

[PaulOBrien]

Dr Who, on Oct 4 2006, 08:00, said:

Can you use the TV service with no SIM inserted? Quite interested to see if the phone can be used with a different operator SIM. I am assuming not since it is a subscription service offered by Virgin but I guess this can only be using an encoded stream and they issue a 'key' with the subscription?

You can watch TV with no / a different SIM... but the first time you watch a channel, the device connects to the Virgin website to download a licence - I guess when this expires you're going to have to put your Virgin SIM back in to get a new licence (I don't know how long this licence lasts - probably 1 month max).

P

[awarner]

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Can you switch the display sideways to watch tv in widescreen?

Paul (MVP), on Oct 3 2006, 22:54, said:

So far as I can find thus far... NO!



How stupid is that?!?!?

That's why I prefer the Forseer, but that's only being released in the US to begin with

[WILBUR]

encece, on Oct 4 2006, 00:19, said:

How is the battery life while using the TV?

I found that from a full charge i could watch just over 3 hours of TV before the battery warning indicator came on.

[4N1L]

Paul (MVP), on Oct 3 2006, 22:54, said:

So far as I can find thus far... NO!



How stupid is that?!?!?



P

This is indeed rubbish! In your opinion, is this something that a firmware update could resolve?

[Dr Who]

If it is the DEVICE that goes onto the web maybe all it does is check that you have a Virgin contract rather than requiring the SIM. If that is the case you might think that is possibly not the most secure security model for them to use.............

[looeee]

the Virgin website says that "Watching TV is free for 90 days on Pay As You Go. BBC One is available until at least October 2007 and it's always free."
so does that mean you can watch BBC only on a non-virgin sim?

what's the tv reception like? do you have to be still?
can you walk around listening to DAB radio without losing signal?

do people stare and wonder what the hell you have in your hand?

Who made the TV reception software? virgin? or HTC?
does it feel well-written? is it stable?

do you see it as a main or 'weekend' phone?

[mfvx5jb1]

Will you get chance to test it on the train or bus?

This is where it would come into it's own for me but as I struggle to get a decent GPRS signal on some trains I don't hold out much hope but perhaps DAB is more reliable

[PaulOBrien]

4N1L, on Oct 4 2006, 09:58, said:

This is indeed rubbish! In your opinion, is this something that a firmware update could resolve?

Theoretically yes... whether it will, who knows.

Whether a bigger picture would make the compression artefacts even worse tho is a valid question...

P

[PaulOBrien]

Dr Who, on Oct 4 2006, 11:57, said:

If it is the DEVICE that goes onto the web maybe all it does is check that you have a Virgin contract rather than requiring the SIM. If that is the case you might think that is possibly not the most secure security model for them to use.............

It's not that simple unfortunately!

P

[PaulOBrien]

looeee, on Oct 4 2006, 12:12, said:

the Virgin website says that "Watching TV is free for 90 days on Pay As You Go. BBC One is available until at least October 2007 and it's always free."
so does that mean you can watch BBC only on a non-virgin sim?

Not necessarily... the first time I tried to watch BBC1 it still went online to acquire a licence, although of course that licence is 'free'.

looeee, on Oct 4 2006, 12:12, said:

what's the tv reception like? do you have to be still?
can you walk around listening to DAB radio without losing signal?

TV reception is OK outdoors, quite poor indoors in my experience.

Can you walk around without losing signal? Depends where you walk

looeee, on Oct 4 2006, 12:12, said:

do people stare and wonder what the hell you have in your hand?

People stare at me and wonder anyway, so no change there

looeee, on Oct 4 2006, 12:12, said:

Who made the TV reception software? virgin? or HTC?does it feel well-written? is it stable?

HTC AFAIK. Yes, it seems stable.

looeee, on Oct 4 2006, 12:12, said:

do you see it as a main or 'weekend' phone?

You'll have to read my review for the answer to that. Remember, on Virgin it's the only Windows Mobile option, so would become the main option. Of course, the lack of a decent data tariff on Virgin will blight it somewhat...

P

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